Comments on: Curriculum Survey Results http://www.webstandards.org/2008/07/28/curriculum-survey-results/ Working together for standards Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:19:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: andy trusz http://www.webstandards.org/2008/07/28/curriculum-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-71836 andy trusz Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:18:52 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/?p=1147#comment-71836 Rob, yes indeed subjective information is invaluable as a starting point; which describes this survery. I asked the questions so I would know how to evaluate the results. The results suggest some areas for further exploration. One area being to make sure future samples reflect more than American opinion. Another being the level of tertiary educational institution. I'm afraid my survey design skills have long since decayed. I don't think I have the "touch" for it any longer. In a technical sense then, I don't think I'd be helpful except as a possible set of eyes for critique; hopefully without carping. But I'd be delighted to do that. Robin, yes the results have implicatons for empirical research. Very subtle humor and observation on your part. Rob, yes indeed subjective information is invaluable as a starting point; which describes this survery. I asked the questions so I would know how to evaluate the results.

The results suggest some areas for further exploration. One area being to make sure future samples reflect more than American opinion. Another being the level of tertiary educational institution.

I’m afraid my survey design skills have long since decayed. I don’t think I have the “touch” for it any longer. In a technical sense then, I don’t think I’d be helpful except as a possible set of eyes for critique; hopefully without carping. But I’d be delighted to do that.

Robin, yes the results have implicatons for empirical research. Very subtle humor and observation on your part.

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By: Robin Massart http://www.webstandards.org/2008/07/28/curriculum-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-71829 Robin Massart Wed, 30 Jul 2008 05:59:00 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/?p=1147#comment-71829 @Andy: I don't think WASP ever claimed this is a scientifically valid study (it can't be, given the population size). We're not talking about drugs here. It's a basic survey with a few simple questions, presumably intended to aid WASP in creating their own curriculum. The data obviously can't be used for any kind of real statistical analysis. But that doesn't mean it has no empirical value. @Andy: I don’t think WASP ever claimed this is a scientifically valid study (it can’t be, given the population size). We’re not talking about drugs here. It’s a basic survey with a few simple questions, presumably intended to aid WASP in creating their own curriculum. The data obviously can’t be used for any kind of real statistical analysis. But that doesn’t mean it has no empirical value.

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By: Vectorpedia(Rick) http://www.webstandards.org/2008/07/28/curriculum-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-71826 Vectorpedia(Rick) Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:35:04 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/?p=1147#comment-71826 Thanks for posting the results of the Education Task Force survey results. It would be nice if more educational professionals participate in the future so as to get a more balanced set of results. Thanks for posting the results of the Education Task Force survey results. It would be nice if more educational professionals participate in the future so as to get a more balanced set of results.

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By: rdickerson http://www.webstandards.org/2008/07/28/curriculum-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-71825 rdickerson Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:19:54 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/?p=1147#comment-71825 Grey. Thanks for catching the problems with charts 4 and 8. The new charts are now online. Educational professionals on the Task Force discussion list were contacted and asked to complete the survey. An announcement was also made on this site. Hopefully, translations of a second survey will bring in more responses from educators in other countries. Grey. Thanks for catching the problems with charts 4 and 8. The new charts are now online.

Educational professionals on the Task Force discussion list were contacted and asked to complete the survey. An announcement was also made on this site. Hopefully, translations of a second survey will bring in more responses from educators in other countries.

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By: rdickerson http://www.webstandards.org/2008/07/28/curriculum-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-71824 rdickerson Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:15:27 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/?p=1147#comment-71824 Andy. Considering that there is very little information about this currently available, even subjective information is useful. Educators on the Education Task Force discussion list were contacted and an announcement was made on this site. If you would like to volunteer your survey designing expertise for the next round of our survey, we would appreciate it. Andy. Considering that there is very little information about this currently available, even subjective information is useful. Educators on the Education Task Force discussion list were contacted and an announcement was made on this site.

If you would like to volunteer your survey designing expertise for the next round of our survey, we would appreciate it.

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By: Grey http://www.webstandards.org/2008/07/28/curriculum-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-71822 Grey Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:39:34 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/?p=1147#comment-71822 Some of the bar charts in the results page seem to have been messed up. For example, in "4. Which of the following technologies should be covered within this curriculum?", the chart shows more votes for xml and Javascript than for HTML and CSS, but the votes show that HTML&CSS each got 45 votes and JS&XML only around 30 each. But all figures in that chart are mixed up. In "8. Which tools will you be using in your course?", reading from top to bottom, you only need to reverse the labels on the left-hand side of the chart to get the correct result. (E.g. swap "other" with "text-based web editors", "developement tools" with "wysiwyg" (spelling mistake there btw), and so on). I didn't bother to check "3. Which of the following concepts should be covered within this curriculum?", because it is too lengthy a list, but it's likely to be accurate. As for the content of the survey, I'm not surprised to find server-side technologies among the write-ins. What has surprised me is that wysiwyg editors ranked comparatively low, just like standardistas generally do without them. Makes me wonder what the criteria for choosing the respondents were. Also obvious is that over 50% of the respondents teach in the United States. Some of the bar charts in the results page seem to have been messed up.

For example, in “4. Which of the following technologies should be covered within this curriculum?”,
the chart shows more votes for xml and Javascript than for HTML and CSS, but the votes show that HTML&CSS each got 45 votes and JS&XML only around 30 each. But all figures in that chart are mixed up.

In “8. Which tools will you be using in your course?”, reading from top to bottom, you only need to reverse the labels on the left-hand side of the chart to get the correct result. (E.g. swap “other” with “text-based web editors”, “developement tools” with “wysiwyg” (spelling mistake there btw), and so on).

I didn’t bother to check “3. Which of the following concepts should be covered within this curriculum?”, because it is too lengthy a list, but it’s likely to be accurate.

As for the content of the survey, I’m not surprised to find server-side technologies among the write-ins. What has surprised me is that wysiwyg editors ranked comparatively low, just like standardistas generally do without them. Makes me wonder what the criteria for choosing the respondents were. Also obvious is that over 50% of the respondents teach in the United States.

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By: andy trusz http://www.webstandards.org/2008/07/28/curriculum-survey-results/comment-page-1/#comment-71821 andy trusz Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:37:34 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/?p=1147#comment-71821 What is the survey methodology used? How was the sample chosen? Where did the names of the individuals approached come from? How were insititutions identified? Does the distribution of responses reflect the distribution of educational resources globally? How is validity checked? Where's the documention of the design? In other words are these results in the least bit scientifically reliable? If not there is nothing to discuss. Publish your curriculum by all means. That document might well contribute to the discussion. Just don't pretend it is in response to a valid, meaningful survey. What is the survey methodology used?

How was the sample chosen?

Where did the names of the individuals approached come from?

How were insititutions identified?

Does the distribution of responses reflect the distribution of educational resources globally?

How is validity checked?

Where’s the documention of the design?

In other words are these results in the least bit scientifically reliable? If not there is nothing to discuss. Publish your curriculum by all means. That document might well contribute to the discussion. Just don’t pretend it is in response to a valid, meaningful survey.

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