Comments on: IE6: the end is (hopefully) near http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/ Working together for standards Wed, 27 Mar 2013 12:19:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Matt Froese http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-9856 Matt Froese Wed, 01 Nov 2006 04:51:06 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-9856 Finally, an IE related article I agree with. While, agreeably, it is nowhere near Opera (lets be honest Firefox is still lacking in the standards department) it is better than IE6 and for that I am excited. Finally, an IE related article I agree with.

While, agreeably, it is nowhere near Opera (lets be honest Firefox is still lacking in the standards department) it is better than IE6 and for that I am excited.

]]> By: Adam McClure http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-6933 Adam McClure Thu, 05 Oct 2006 04:36:09 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-6933 I would like to see Microsoft throw in the towell for Internet Explorer and liscense Firefox or Opera for Vista. That would make things nice and easy. Yeah... I would like to see Microsoft throw in the towell for Internet Explorer and liscense Firefox or Opera for Vista. That would make things nice and easy. Yeah…

]]> By: La domo de karotoj » Esplorilo 7 RC1 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-4057 La domo de karotoj » Esplorilo 7 RC1 Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:02:08 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-4057 [...] Ĉi tiu blogo estas plejparte neuzebla en Esplorilo 6 pro la “nerulumebla enhavo” cimo. Tio estas unu el la riparataj cimoj en Esplorilo 7. Espereble la fina eldono de Esplorilo 7 baldaŭ haveblos kaj la plejparto da uzuloj perforte aktualiĝos. Komentoj (0) | Reenaĵoj (0) [...] [...] Ĉi tiu blogo estas plejparte neuzebla en Esplorilo 6 pro la “nerulumebla enhavo” cimo. Tio estas unu el la riparataj cimoj en Esplorilo 7. Espereble la fina eldono de Esplorilo 7 baldaŭ haveblos kaj la plejparto da uzuloj perforte aktualiĝos. Komentoj (0) | Reenaĵoj (0) [...]

]]> By: Phil http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-3972 Phil Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:01:06 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-3972 I have to say I'm rather doubtful about the corporate adoption of IE7. Other companies may not be so bad, but my company's intranet is seemingly dependent on IE6's 'bodges' (such as its use of padding) to get pages to view properly. In fact, trying to view intranet pages in a decent browser like Firefox is often just wasting your time. Short of a complete overhaul of the entire corporate network (I work for a very popular insurance group, so it's quite big) I can't see the switch taking place. I find it amusing that the company's IT department have numerous guidelines on how to make external web pages 'forward-compatible' but didn't think to apply the same logic to their intranet. I have to say I’m rather doubtful about the corporate adoption of IE7. Other companies may not be so bad, but my company’s intranet is seemingly dependent on IE6′s ‘bodges’ (such as its use of padding) to get pages to view properly. In fact, trying to view intranet pages in a decent browser like Firefox is often just wasting your time. Short of a complete overhaul of the entire corporate network (I work for a very popular insurance group, so it’s quite big) I can’t see the switch taking place.

I find it amusing that the company’s IT department have numerous guidelines on how to make external web pages ‘forward-compatible’ but didn’t think to apply the same logic to their intranet.

]]> By: Paul R. Redmond http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-3308 Paul R. Redmond Fri, 11 Aug 2006 17:29:15 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-3308 Has there been any word on a version of IE that will let you view a site in IE 6 & IE 7? I know MS was working on the issue or at least discussing it. I would really like to avoid separate installs, and have an official version that allows this for developers. Has there been any word on a version of IE that will let you view a site in IE 6 & IE 7? I know MS was working on the issue or at least discussing it. I would really like to avoid separate installs, and have an official version that allows this for developers.

]]> By: keepcop http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-3132 keepcop Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:15:15 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-3132 Although I'm not a professional web designer, I always tend to use only valid XHTML Strict and CSS in my sites. Despite this IE browsers show very rarely the expected result especially when it's about positioning divs. I hardly have troubles with Gecko browsers - they are quite accurate and follow the standards very well. Divs within divs within divs work fine with Firefox and make designing easier and more flexible. Therefore I really want Mozilla to own 99% market share - though unfortunately it's very unlikely. In my opinion the biggest obstacles of spreading Firefox are that 1. most of the users don't even know about it and 2. a good deal of users is unable to install softwares on their computer because of security restrictions (I mean schools, offices, net cafes, etc). Personally I have a small rar archive on my ftp site containing Firefox executables and alway simply download and unrar it into a temp directory if I want to use it somewhere. I guess it would be a good idea to release such a pack officially so that more users could use the program. Although I’m not a professional web designer, I always tend to use only valid XHTML Strict and CSS in my sites. Despite this IE browsers show very rarely the expected result especially when it’s about positioning divs.
I hardly have troubles with Gecko browsers – they are quite accurate and follow the standards very well. Divs within divs within divs work fine with Firefox and make designing easier and more flexible.

Therefore I really want Mozilla to own 99% market share – though unfortunately it’s very unlikely. In my opinion the biggest obstacles of spreading Firefox are that 1. most of the users don’t even know about it and 2. a good deal of users is unable to install softwares on their computer because of security restrictions (I mean schools, offices, net cafes, etc). Personally I have a small rar archive on my ftp site containing Firefox executables and alway simply download and unrar it into a temp directory if I want to use it somewhere. I guess it would be a good idea to release such a pack officially so that more users could use the program.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-3020 Matthew Sun, 06 Aug 2006 02:52:03 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-3020 It sure would save a lot of hard work and research if we only had to write HTML/CSS for one standard. I hover around XHTML 1.0 Transitional support which works well enough in IE, FF and Safari. If I have to lean in any direction its going to be with the company that has 85% market share. On some of my sites I see closer to 95%. I use tables for layout if I have to because I can do it quicker than trying to float divs within divs within divs. I have seen some pure CSS "tricks" to emulate layout and its not very maintainable. I think the W3C would like everyone to create web pages that look like a paragraphs of text with the occasional bit of bold text to add flare. Yawn. The whole evil empire argument is getting a bit, don't you think. Yep standards are good. Yep, Mic has written some crap software in their day, but would you really want mozilla to own 85% market share? Or how about thousands of companies each with their own browser. Sorry. I hope IE7 and IE8 develop into the perfect web browser and become the "only" web browser. That means less work for me. Cheers (Don't take me too seriously) It sure would save a lot of hard work and research if we only had to write HTML/CSS for one standard.

I hover around XHTML 1.0 Transitional support which works well enough in IE, FF and Safari. If I have to lean in any direction its going to be with the company that has 85% market share. On some of my sites I see closer to 95%.

I use tables for layout if I have to because I can do it quicker than trying to float divs within divs within divs. I have seen some pure CSS “tricks” to emulate layout and its not very maintainable.

I think the W3C would like everyone to create web pages that look like a paragraphs of text with the occasional bit of bold text to add flare.

Yawn. The whole evil empire argument is getting a bit, don’t you think.

Yep standards are good. Yep, Mic has written some crap software in their day, but would you really want mozilla to own 85% market share? Or how about thousands of companies each with their own browser.

Sorry. I hope IE7 and IE8 develop into the perfect web browser and become the “only” web browser. That means less work for me.

Cheers (Don’t take me too seriously)

]]> By: Egor Kloos http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-3014 Egor Kloos Sat, 05 Aug 2006 23:52:56 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-3014 This doesn't mean the demise of IE6 but the demise of IE5. If my customers want that browser supported then they're going to have to pay extra for it. Some say that those that dabble in web standards should support all current browsers, well at least anything above 0.5%. This is of course complete gobble-a-duke. A client pays me for a site of certain quality and compliance. I have a base rate for a basic level of work. Want more? Than that will cost an X amount extra, thank you very much. IE6 will be marginalised quicker than many think and that will mean that web standards can be pushed to a higher level. Automatic updates are good. If MS keeps going at this rate than Mozilla will be playing catch up with IE and not only with Opera and Safari. The user wins. This doesn’t mean the demise of IE6 but the demise of IE5. If my customers want that browser supported then they’re going to have to pay extra for it.
Some say that those that dabble in web standards should support all current browsers, well at least anything above 0.5%. This is of course complete gobble-a-duke.
A client pays me for a site of certain quality and compliance. I have a base rate for a basic level of work. Want more? Than that will cost an X amount extra, thank you very much.

IE6 will be marginalised quicker than many think and that will mean that web standards can be pushed to a higher level. Automatic updates are good. If MS keeps going at this rate than Mozilla will be playing catch up with IE and not only with Opera and Safari.

The user wins.

]]> By: stephen http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-2893 stephen Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:14:22 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-2893 very amusing about ie7.com, wonder how long it will stay that way? very good news about the auto update as well. very amusing about ie7.com, wonder how long it will stay that way? very good news about the auto update as well.

]]> By: Sean Nicholls - Blog Archive » Mozilla makes use of IE7 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/comment-page-1/#comment-2840 Sean Nicholls - Blog Archive » Mozilla makes use of IE7 Tue, 01 Aug 2006 00:46:59 +0000 http://www.webstandards.org/2006/07/26/ie6-the-end-is-hopefully-near/#comment-2840 [...] It would appear that Mozilla did not purchase the domain, though I am double checking that, so apologies for the innacuracy. I cite the innacuracy to boagworld where I originally got the story: Also on the IE front, the Web Standards Project seems to be saying a somewhat premature goodbye to IE 6 while Firefox have pulled off a bit of a PR coup by registering ie7.com. [...] [...] It would appear that Mozilla did not purchase the domain, though I am double checking that, so apologies for the innacuracy. I cite the innacuracy to boagworld where I originally got the story: Also on the IE front, the Web Standards Project seems to be saying a somewhat premature goodbye to IE 6 while Firefox have pulled off a bit of a PR coup by registering ie7.com. [...]

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